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		<title>Comment on Why Undecided Youth Should Vote Democratic in 2012 by Bill Killian</title>
		<link>http://summitlake.com/?p=1409#comment-1833</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Visited your site to look at the photos from Vietnam. I was there with Frank and Bill Casey. Thanks for hosting it. Sure don&#039;t agree with you politically, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visited your site to look at the photos from Vietnam. I was there with Frank and Bill Casey. Thanks for hosting it. Sure don&#8217;t agree with you politically, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Occupy:&#8221; Say What? by AlexAdmin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The point of the original &quot;Occupy Wall Street&quot; was readily understood by everyone (whether they agreed or not). Occupy Oakland? Occupy Seattle? We&#039;re just not going to tolerate big metropolitan areas any more? How discriminatory is THAT? What about Chico, Little River, Bartlesville and Apache Junction?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of the original &#8220;Occupy Wall Street&#8221; was readily understood by everyone (whether they agreed or not). Occupy Oakland? Occupy Seattle? We&#8217;re just not going to tolerate big metropolitan areas any more? How discriminatory is THAT? What about Chico, Little River, Bartlesville and Apache Junction?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ron Paul, Libertarianism and 2012 Issues by AlexAdmin</title>
		<link>http://summitlake.com/?p=1220#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over a month since my post on Paul and libertarianism, Ron Paul has still not stepped up to the plate and taken responsibility for statements made in his newsletters under his name. In the current 2/6/2012 New Yorker, Alex Koppelman writes:

&quot;There is no longer any doubt—not that there ever truly was. Ron Paul, the libertarian hero, was aware of and, indeed, intimately involved in, the production of the newsletters that printed a number of racist, homophobic, and conspiratorial screeds under his name.&quot;

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/01/ron-pauls-filthy-lucre.html#ixzz1l0FnK65t

Partisan and ideological issues aside, Paul joins a growing list of GOP &quot;bigot vote&quot; candidates who are neither personally nor morally fit to lead the United States or any other free country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over a month since my post on Paul and libertarianism, Ron Paul has still not stepped up to the plate and taken responsibility for statements made in his newsletters under his name. In the current 2/6/2012 New Yorker, Alex Koppelman writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no longer any doubt—not that there ever truly was. Ron Paul, the libertarian hero, was aware of and, indeed, intimately involved in, the production of the newsletters that printed a number of racist, homophobic, and conspiratorial screeds under his name.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read more <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/01/ron-pauls-filthy-lucre.html#ixzz1l0FnK65t" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/01/ron-pauls-filthy-lucre.html#ixzz1l0FnK65t</a></p>
<p>Partisan and ideological issues aside, Paul joins a growing list of GOP &#8220;bigot vote&#8221; candidates who are neither personally nor morally fit to lead the United States or any other free country.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steven Paul Jobs (February 24, 1955 – October 5, 2011) by Steve Jobs: The Man Who Changed Everything &#124; Computers &#38; Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Jobs: The Man Who Changed Everything &#124; Computers &#38; Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Bottleneck at Thermopylae Pass by admin</title>
		<link>http://summitlake.com/?p=509#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 01:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This comment thread still stares at me in my WordPress dashboard, reminding me there&#039;s some irritating unfinished business here.

I don&#039;t think H.N. read my article carefully, based on his remarks &lt;a href=&quot;http://summitlake.com/?p=427&amp;cpage=1#comment-732&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nice Spin&lt;a&gt;, but that&#039;s not my point, and his over-reaction is almost understandable.

First, let no one be confused about Sparta and Athens. We think of Athens as the cradle of western democracy, but this only worked in Athens or Sparta for members of minority ruling classes who controlled a military might which, it was thought, could conquer and enslave the rest of the world by divine right. Those city-states, and the Roman Empire that followed them, much more closely resembled Nazi Germany than any modern democracy.

Getting the vote about which peoples to subjugate next does not make a democracy a better or more just form of government. In fact, that license to hide behind a plurality undermines the whole conceptual foundation of democracy: look at Rome.

None of this makes Xerxes look any better. That is not a slur on Persia or Persians, but a condemnation of the whole mindset. European and American history, too, is full of the same wrong choices and psychopathic atrocities we condemn elsewhere in the world.

Cyrus the Great was a wise, revered and benevolent king, but the ambitious son Xerxes he spawned was the ancient equivalent of what Enron might have become -- had it been allowed the persuasive tactic of summary executions, and commanded vast armies and nuclear weapons. 

The other (more current) irritant is this insane national flap about the mosque proposed near Ground Zero. (There is already a mosque just as close). Even friends of mine who are much more &quot;traditionally&quot; conservative agree this one has been milked shamelessly by survivor groups and associations. KKK-style religious and ethnic prejudice may well be a minority viewpoint in the United States, but it refuses to die.

When western democracies find themselves pressured to ban religious and ethnic institutions like a mosque, or customs like the &lt;em&gt;burka&lt;/em&gt; for crying out loud, I think it&#039;s fair to ask how the west possibly expects to have any credibility in brokering peace in the middle east.

If you were waiting for the other shoe to drop (the problem with Israel), it is complicated, it is unquestionably two-sided, and continued blind, blank-check support of Israeli posturing has become legally and morally indefensible.

It&#039;s right to condemn prejudice and force wherever we encounter it, but futile to whitewash the need for cleaning our own house while name-calling and finger-pointing at &lt;em&gt;other&lt;/em&gt; peoples and nations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment thread still stares at me in my WordPress dashboard, reminding me there&#8217;s some irritating unfinished business here.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think H.N. read my article carefully, based on his remarks <a href="http://summitlake.com/?p=427&#038;cpage=1#comment-732" rel="nofollow">Nice Spin</a><a>, but that&#8217;s not my point, and his over-reaction is almost understandable.</p>
<p>First, let no one be confused about Sparta and Athens. We think of Athens as the cradle of western democracy, but this only worked in Athens or Sparta for members of minority ruling classes who controlled a military might which, it was thought, could conquer and enslave the rest of the world by divine right. Those city-states, and the Roman Empire that followed them, much more closely resembled Nazi Germany than any modern democracy.</p>
<p>Getting the vote about which peoples to subjugate next does not make a democracy a better or more just form of government. In fact, that license to hide behind a plurality undermines the whole conceptual foundation of democracy: look at Rome.</p>
<p>None of this makes Xerxes look any better. That is not a slur on Persia or Persians, but a condemnation of the whole mindset. European and American history, too, is full of the same wrong choices and psychopathic atrocities we condemn elsewhere in the world.</p>
<p>Cyrus the Great was a wise, revered and benevolent king, but the ambitious son Xerxes he spawned was the ancient equivalent of what Enron might have become &#8212; had it been allowed the persuasive tactic of summary executions, and commanded vast armies and nuclear weapons. </p>
<p>The other (more current) irritant is this insane national flap about the mosque proposed near Ground Zero. (There is already a mosque just as close). Even friends of mine who are much more &#8220;traditionally&#8221; conservative agree this one has been milked shamelessly by survivor groups and associations. KKK-style religious and ethnic prejudice may well be a minority viewpoint in the United States, but it refuses to die.</p>
<p>When western democracies find themselves pressured to ban religious and ethnic institutions like a mosque, or customs like the <em>burka</em> for crying out loud, I think it&#8217;s fair to ask how the west possibly expects to have any credibility in brokering peace in the middle east.</p>
<p>If you were waiting for the other shoe to drop (the problem with Israel), it is complicated, it is unquestionably two-sided, and continued blind, blank-check support of Israeli posturing has become legally and morally indefensible.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s right to condemn prejudice and force wherever we encounter it, but futile to whitewash the need for cleaning our own house while name-calling and finger-pointing at <em>other</em> peoples and nations.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Welcome to OUTDOORS &#124; Outdoors</title>
		<link>http://summitlake.com/?page_id=88#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>Welcome to OUTDOORS &#124; Outdoors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] media metaphors, but on a deeper sense of belonging to &#8230; everything. As we wrote in &#8220;About Summitlake.com&#8220;, Such a place would be public, in the sense of a park or a wilderness, but would be private [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Bottleneck at Thermopylae Pass by admin</title>
		<link>http://summitlake.com/?p=509#comment-750</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In all fairness: I should add there quite obviously ARE heavy pockets of western cultural bias against the modern &quot;Middle East&quot;. This hopelessly complicates negotiations with regimes like modern Iran, not to mention fanning flames of popular resentment against western interests and motivations. To many, the west is still seen as carrying on the medieval Crusades, to which the response may often be an equally irrational and self-destructive holy war against the western &#039;infidels.&#039; This is not helpful to either culture, nor is it fair to the millions upon millions of ordinary citizens on both sides -- whose primary day-to-day goal is probably just to earn a living, raise and educate families, and get along with one&#039;s neighbors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness: I should add there quite obviously ARE heavy pockets of western cultural bias against the modern &#8220;Middle East&#8221;. This hopelessly complicates negotiations with regimes like modern Iran, not to mention fanning flames of popular resentment against western interests and motivations. To many, the west is still seen as carrying on the medieval Crusades, to which the response may often be an equally irrational and self-destructive holy war against the western &#8216;infidels.&#8217; This is not helpful to either culture, nor is it fair to the millions upon millions of ordinary citizens on both sides &#8212; whose primary day-to-day goal is probably just to earn a living, raise and educate families, and get along with one&#8217;s neighbors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bottleneck at Thermopylae Pass by admin</title>
		<link>http://summitlake.com/?p=509#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a belated response to the comment http://www.summitlake.com?p=427&amp;cpage=1#comment-732. It was posted by H.N. under the old, obsolete &quot;write Us&quot; page. H.N. takes us to task for a pro-West, anti-Persian spin on history. I replied privately to H.N. stating that a biased historical &quot;spin&quot; was certainly not my intention, as I took pains in the &quot;Thermopylae&quot; article to point out the positive contributions of the Persian culture of the era. I also lambasted Xerxes for an uncontrollable temper and his penchant for executing individuals or whole city-states for annoying him (according to Herodotus, who certainly might have harbored anti-Persian biases of his own). Persia was without a doubt a &quot;slave state&quot; for those who were brought before Xerxes as unrepentant non-compliants. However, Athens and Sparta were certainly NOT &quot;free cities&quot; (particularly Sparta) and both engaged in atrocities rivaling Xerxes&#039; in malevolence if not in scale. Though it fell far short of the modern concept of freedom in implementation and consistency, the Athenian idea of democracy lit a lamp that lasted throughout the ages. It is also worth reiterating that, were it not for cultivation of the science, writing and culture of the ancient Persia, the recovery of post-Roman, plague-ridden Dark Ages Europe might well have been delayed additional centuries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a belated response to the comment <a href="http://www.summitlake.com?p=427&#038;cpage=1#comment-732" rel="nofollow">http://www.summitlake.com?p=427&#038;cpage=1#comment-732</a>. It was posted by H.N. under the old, obsolete &#8220;write Us&#8221; page. H.N. takes us to task for a pro-West, anti-Persian spin on history. I replied privately to H.N. stating that a biased historical &#8220;spin&#8221; was certainly not my intention, as I took pains in the &#8220;Thermopylae&#8221; article to point out the positive contributions of the Persian culture of the era. I also lambasted Xerxes for an uncontrollable temper and his penchant for executing individuals or whole city-states for annoying him (according to Herodotus, who certainly might have harbored anti-Persian biases of his own). Persia was without a doubt a &#8220;slave state&#8221; for those who were brought before Xerxes as unrepentant non-compliants. However, Athens and Sparta were certainly NOT &#8220;free cities&#8221; (particularly Sparta) and both engaged in atrocities rivaling Xerxes&#8217; in malevolence if not in scale. Though it fell far short of the modern concept of freedom in implementation and consistency, the Athenian idea of democracy lit a lamp that lasted throughout the ages. It is also worth reiterating that, were it not for cultivation of the science, writing and culture of the ancient Persia, the recovery of post-Roman, plague-ridden Dark Ages Europe might well have been delayed additional centuries.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Spring Cleaning by admin</title>
		<link>http://summitlake.com/?p=625#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Write Us by H. N.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow, nice spin on history. its too bad you got it all wrong. persia was anything but a slave empire, and athens, and sparta were definitely not the last free cities of the world. if the persians were such a way, than why is it that cyrus the great, ancestor of xerxes, is the only non-jew praised as &quot;anointed by god&quot; in the bible? perhaps because when the persians overtook babylon, they freed the jews from generations of slavery for the first time, allowed them to live where they pleased, and even undertook the task of reconstructing the jewish temple. its too bad the &quot;westerner&quot; romans preferred to put jews on crosses instead. :) i dont know, try to learn more about greece and iran before wasting your time writing b.s. the jewish story is just one example of the ideals of freedom which have grown out of persian civilization. please dont cut the persians out of western civilization, out of history, or out of the idea of freedom. i have a million things to do today, but your article was so off i simply wouldn&#039;t feel &quot;free&quot; today if i didnt at least try to give you some better insight to historical events and how they effect our day to day lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, nice spin on history. its too bad you got it all wrong. persia was anything but a slave empire, and athens, and sparta were definitely not the last free cities of the world. if the persians were such a way, than why is it that cyrus the great, ancestor of xerxes, is the only non-jew praised as &#8220;anointed by god&#8221; in the bible? perhaps because when the persians overtook babylon, they freed the jews from generations of slavery for the first time, allowed them to live where they pleased, and even undertook the task of reconstructing the jewish temple. its too bad the &#8220;westerner&#8221; romans preferred to put jews on crosses instead. <img src='http://summitlake.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  i dont know, try to learn more about greece and iran before wasting your time writing b.s. the jewish story is just one example of the ideals of freedom which have grown out of persian civilization. please dont cut the persians out of western civilization, out of history, or out of the idea of freedom. i have a million things to do today, but your article was so off i simply wouldn&#8217;t feel &#8220;free&#8221; today if i didnt at least try to give you some better insight to historical events and how they effect our day to day lives.</p>
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